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Re: GenV Discussion Thread

Postby MikkelDemey » Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:45 pm

Ze Colonel wrote:Pot evolves via Sun Stone. Ditched the pigeon?

Potje learns Magical Leaf @46.

And yeah, figured the swan did the same as pigeon with an added Surf stab.
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Re: GenV Discussion Thread

Postby Ze Colonel » Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:13 am

Aren't you losing Butterfly Dance?
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Re: GenV Discussion Thread

Postby superflous » Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:51 am

You can always move tutor it
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Re: GenV Discussion Thread

Postby Thunder_man6 » Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:57 am

Interesting fact about Victini, Zekrom, Reshiram, and kyurem.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/989552-p ... n/57066320


tl;dr, They can't be shiny.

edit: http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=86617
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Re: GenV Discussion Thread

Postby Ze Colonel » Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:13 am

Thanks for posting that.

Tagging thread because nza and I basically figured out everything there is to know about everything. Gotta remember to post it if I'm not shooting things.
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Re: GenV Discussion Thread

Postby nza » Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:15 pm

Let me see if I can get this right, lemme know of there are some holes or mistakes in this Ze.

We basically concluded that there would be shiny distributions for Reshiram and Zekrom as Grey is hits the streets. These shiny versions of the Pokemon would play a role in obtaining Kyurem in Grey. The distribution or event would most definitely be WiFi so as to include everyone. Hell, the even could be ingame at some point and force the beast to be shiny. Either way.

The power generated from the tails of Zek/Resh appears to be fainter in their shiny versions than when compared to the normal sprites. Ze found this to be interesting and plays into how this would effect the storyline and is indeed a nice touch assuming this is all correct.

We know that, based on deciphering the code from the underwater ruins, Kyurem can be taken to be the King. It represents a culmination of Resh/Zek in mythology. Kyurem was essentially whole and then split apart again. What's left behind is the exoskeleton we have in BW. It appears dead, and its tail is fractured, as if the generator that was once there has been removed.

Having a hard time how the two brothers played into this but they either took Kyurem and remade Resh/Zek or used them both to reassemble. idr how that went. There's also some stuff about how Kyurem befriends one and conquers the other. Will get to this in a second.

The point is, in Grey, the shiny versions of Resh/Zek appear to exude less power, which we could take to mean that they are weaker. In the story, we have N and you as the two primary characters; both of which parallel the brothers of Isshu's mythology. Using the God Stone (possibly King Stone) it will be N's objective to awaken the beast (at some point a selection will occur wherein you end up w/ Resh OR Zek and N obtains the other). This is important, later. The God Stone will drain the energy from both Resh and Zek culminating in the revitalization of Kyurem.

Kyurem, it is suspected, will end up having three formes (topping Sinnoh's Giratina by one). The forme we have now, a forme which indicates Kyurem has befriended Reshiram and a forme indicated it has befriended Zekrom. Selecting one of the two legends is important as it not only determines the forme of Kyurem but also the move it will know. For instance, in BW it learns Frozen World. A fairly weak Ice attack (65 base power) that is also guarenteed to lower the opponent's speed by one stage. But, there are two Ice attacks we know of in the game's coding, which no one learns. Their effects follow and shed some light on all of this as well:

Cold Flare wrote:Inflicts regular damage. Charges for one turn. Has a 30% chance to afflict the opponent with Burn.

An Ice attack which exhibits the effects of a Fire type attack, aka Reshiram.

Freeze Bolt wrote:Inflicts regular damage. Charges for one turn. Has a 30% chance to afflict the opponent with Paralysis.

An Ice attack which exhibits the effects of an Electric attack, aka Zekrom.

It is entirely possible that Kyurem will learn the move based on what type-base is the opposite of the legend you end up choosing. This has meaning because we already know that Zekrom and Reshiram attacking together (when using Cross Thunder/Cross Flame respectively) create a new effect (see the starters' combo 'Oath' moves).

So, it should come to pass that N awakens/recreates Kyurem, which angers it and leads to its opposition to N's selected beast. You, the protagonist, find yourself in the position of controlling the beast that Kyurem favors. From here, it could be a matter of you catching Kyurem in order defeat N (ala BW's plot twist) or a more standard defeat of N and then later meeting w/ Kyurem in the forme you put it in.

Quite a bit to take, I'm sure, but these seems to work well with the mythology demonstrated in the undersea ruins, the revelation of non-shiny legends being forced upon us, and utilizing the known effects of unique (more powerful) Ice attacks that surely will belong to Kyurem at some point as well as plot-twists brought about in Gen4 and Gen5. It does not explain why Victini and Kyurem can't be shiny as well Resh/Zek but there will surely be future events to explain it as well and perhaps differently than Ze and I concluded. Either way, its a sweetass plot we've got up there :D
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Re: GenV Discussion Thread

Postby Ze Colonel » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:52 am



Seems fine on a quick first glance. I'll examine this again and other theories and see if I come up with anything new, but nza basically said it all.

For now, let's examine one missing piece of the puzzle...

K, goddammit, no one has Layton sprites anywhere, but moving on...

King defeated ③ alone.
④ joined King in a day.
King called ⑤ beings.
King is hope and future.
The great King ⑥.


nza's post found an explanation for all blanks except 5- the King called ____ beings. What did the king call? The beings the king called aided him in a great battle...

All is precious.
Wars create tears.

King talks to all beings.
Saved all from waves.
King is hope for all.
Think act with love.


So who are the King's servants? The musketeers or the djinns? Musketeers make sense due to the affiliation with the king, but also for another reason. With the hints at war we're looking at something like a great Pokemon version of the civil war- with Pokemon being soldiers. In the games, the musketeers are basically the heroes of Pokemon, saving them from vicious humans. I said civil war for a reason~

Oh, and of course... He saved all from waves. Not really, the ruins are underwater. Unless people are still alive there and that's another Grey plot twist.
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Re: GenV Discussion Thread

Postby MikkelDemey » Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:56 pm

I finally finished the league.

Updating guide when I have time to write anything else but papers and code.
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Re: GenV Discussion Thread

Postby Neofcon » Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:34 pm

I just wondered something..

how old is Iris supposed to be?
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Re: GenV Discussion Thread

Postby Ze Colonel » Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:10 pm

Like... 12? No idea, the game just has her being trained by Shaga (no relation) to replace him as the leader because she can "understand the hearts of Dragons."
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Re: GenV Discussion Thread

Postby Ze Colonel » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:08 am

Bumping this because of localization.

A man near Mistralton Cave confirms that it was the Musketeers that appeared to save Pokemon during the great fire, which is part of what nza and I were talking about (the King's servants and the great fire are both important parts of the ruins explanation of Ancient Unova).
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Re: GenV Discussion Thread

Postby Thunder_man6 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:22 am

Dark Triad = Three Waiters?
Besides the obvious 3=3 and hidden identity of the three bad guys... (slight spoilers)
Reason A- You go to meet Cilan in the Academy... somehow he gets past you without you even knowing. Ninja Skills.
Reason B- One of the few cities not attacked by Team Plasma is thier city. (Dreamyard I guess could be considered close enough I guess)
Reason C- Team Plasma are never shown at the same time as the waiters. (and vise versa)
Reason D- I hear that they are the only gym leaders who do no show up towards the end.
Reason E- I hear that Bianca brings up their lack of appearances and wondering what they are up to.

Now, as for them not being there, there always is this from the text. (I believe that it is Bianca that says it, also text is not perfect): "they went on a cruise during the whole thing" and they are like "ya, we did. we got free tickets for waiting on some rich people"
This either is a really lame way for them to just not include them, or brings up an interesting cover story.

Other things to note. If you talk to the 3 of them after the game, two of the brother don't say anything, however we do get this from Cress. "...We heard about the incident with N's Castle. If we had received the message in time, the three of us could have helped."

If you ask me, this seems to add to the suspicion.
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Re: GenV Discussion Thread

Postby RDS1 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:31 am

I believe Bianca said (in my game, at least) that "by the time [she] reached Striaton [Waiters' City], the incident had already been resolved".
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Re: GenV Discussion Thread

Postby Ze Colonel » Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:05 am

Yeah, that's a bit of a stretch, TH. The Dark Triad say that Ghetsis once saved their lives, which implies they were in some sort of trouble, but the waiter leaders grew up all fine and dandy in a classy restaurant.

If this was true, we know GameFreak would show this in their dialogue, and Cilan has a pretty distinct manner of speaking. No one is that hesitant within the Triad.

And like RDS says, Bianca says she was talking to the leaders when the shit went down/was wrapping up.
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Re: GenV Discussion Thread

Postby Neofcon » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:41 am

If it were true, that would make the first gym leaders a lot more interesting.
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